My new show on UBA TV

[Richard Bey]

I am on a new LIVE internet streaming show everyday at 12 noon.


Bob Grant is on in mornings, Jay Diamond is doing a show and Curtis is on at night with a stream from his radio show...

If you can tune in and be part of the show if you can...

I did a show there today at 12 and I think it went pretty well for a first run out of the gate.

Here is the link:
http://www.ubatv.com/

[ramf02]

This is more awesome news. I believe internet radio is the future -- forget sirius/xm. Imagine a 3G enabled car where you can tune in whatever website you want. The video and audio are piped through the car's audio/visual system. I look forward to listening on my lunch breaks now!
Frank

[Richard Bey]

You can catch some of the shows on archive...I just watched a Bob Grant episode and I did an episode with Sugar Hill Gang which is up there...but today's show is not up yet.


Over the years I've spoken with five or six people who were trying to do something like this. None of them had the capital, the IT infrastructure, the staff, the studio...John Tabacco who runs this has it all...

Whether it will work in the long run remains to be seen...but it COULD work!

[Valerie]

I am on a new LIVE internet streaming show everyday at 12 noon.


Bob Grant is on in mornings, Jay Diamond is doing a show and Curtis is on at night with a stream from his radio show...

If you can tune in and be part of the show if you can...

I did a show there today at 12 and I think it went pretty well for a first run out of the gate.

Here is the link:
http://www.ubatv.com/

Can we "type in" to you?

[Richard Bey]

Yup!!

[Valerie]

I think that would be 9 am here....I hope I can catch you....

[unionguy]

This is more awesome news. I believe internet radio is the future -- forget sirius/xm. Imagine a 3G enabled car where you can tune in whatever website you want. The video and audio are piped through the car's audio/visual system. I look forward to listening on my lunch breaks now!
Frank

Ehhhh.......yeah....I just need to point out is that Sirius XM is already there. Sirius XM is already on the internet and now you can get it on your iPhone and iPod Touch. So if you can hook your iPod touch to your car, your in.


SIRIUS XM Radio Now Available on Apple App Store for iPhone and iPod Touch

Official app delivers SIRIUS XM's exclusive sports, entertainment, comedy, and 100% commercial-free music channels to millions of users of iPhone and iPod touch

iPhone and iPod touch users can now get Oprah Radio, MLB Home Plate, Martha Stewart, SIRIUS NFL Radio, Opie & Anthony, Jamie Foxx, Blue Collar Comedy, E Street Radio, The Grateful Dead Channel, Eminem's Shade 45, Jimmy Buffett's Radio Margaritaville, Elvis Radio, Siriusly Sinatra, Metropolitan Opera Radio and many others

NEW YORK, June 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- SIRIUS XM Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI - News) today announced the availability of a free application on the Apple App Store that will allow iPhone and iPod touch users to access SIRIUS XM's groundbreaking and critically-acclaimed channels. The app will give SIRIUS and XM Internet subscribers access to 120 channels of sports, talk, entertainment, news, comedy and commercial-free music directly from their iPhone or iPod touch.

(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20080819/NYTU044LOGO )

For the first time, SIRIUS XM will make available its expanded Internet content on iPhone and iPod touch, including some of its new and popular showcase channels, created just for Internet users.

"Getting SIRIUS XM's superior programming on your iPhone or iPod touch is now convenient and easy," said Mel Karmazin, CEO of SIRIUS XM. "The SIRIUS XM app allows new and existing subscribers to access great music, talk and sports almost anywhere they go. For millions of users, the best radio on radio is now the best audio content on their iPhone or iPod touch."

Users of iPhone and iPod touch with an Internet subscription to SIRIUS or XM have access to exclusive sports and entertainment programming from SIRIUS XM's satellite radio service, including, Oprah Radio, MLB Home Plate, Martha Stewart Living Radio, SIRIUS NFL Radio, NHL Home Ice, PGA TOUR, Opie & Anthony, Mad Dog Radio with Chris Russo, Playboy Radio, The Foxxhole comedy channel presented by Jamie Foxx, Blue Collar Comedy Radio, CNN, Fox News Talk and NPR.

SIRIUS and XM subscribers can also listen to 100% commercial-free music featuring exclusive shows from SIRIUS XM's satellite radio service such as Bob Dylan's Theme Time Radio Hour and Tom Petty's Buried Treasure, as well as 24/7 music channels such as Bruce Springsteen's E Street Radio, The Grateful Dead Channel, Eminem's Shade 45, Jimmy Buffett's Radio Margaritaville, "Little Steven" Van Zandt's Underground Garage and Outlaw Country channels, B.B. King's Bluesville, Willie Nelson's Willie's Place, Elvis Radio, Siriusly Sinatra, Metropolitan Opera Radio and many others.

Some select programming, including MLB Play-by-Play, NFL Play-by-Play, SIRIUS NASCAR Radio, and Howard Stern, will not be available on the iPhone and iPod touch. Listeners will continue to be able to access that programming through the platforms they are currently offered on.

Users of iPhone and iPod touch who download the SIRIUS XM app will get access to exclusive, Internet-only showcase channels, such as SIRIUS XM Bootlegs, SIRIUS XM Talk Showcase, SIRIUS XM Music Showcase, and SIRIUS XM Comedy Showcase, featuring multiple plays of SIRIUS XM's acclaimed shows. Exclusive programming from SIRIUS XM's satellite radio service, such as Here's Barbara with Barbara Walters, Oprah Winfrey's Soul Series, The Jamie Foxx Show, specials from Blue Collar Comedy and Raw Dog Comedy, selections from Artist Confidential series, and selections from exclusive live SIRIUS XM music performances, including pop, rock, hip-hop, country, jazz, and more, will be available now for the first time on the iPhone and iPod touch.

The SIRIUS XM app also allows users to:


•Purchase a song heard on SIRIUS XM while it is being played or "Tag" favorite songs for later purchase from the iTunes Store.
•Save SIRIUS XM Internet channels for fast, easy access through a "Favorites" function.
•See the current channel plus what is playing on all other available channels via the "Lookaround" function.
•Quickly surf through 120 channels of SIRIUS XM programming on the fly with the flick of a finger using the innovative Multi-Touch user interface of iPhone and iPod touch.

The SIRIUS XM app is available for free from Apple's App Store on iPhone and iPod touch or at www.itunes.com/appstore and www.siriusxm.com/app

There is no additional charge for listening to SIRIUS XM's programming on the iPhone or iPod touch once a user becomes a SIRIUS XM Internet subscriber or subscribes to the Company's Premium Online service in conjunction with their satellite radio subscription.

SIRIUS XM will also offer the ability for new users to sample SIRIUS XM Internet content on their computer and iPhone or iPod touch through a free, on-line pass and the opportunity to then become a SIRIUS XM subscriber with a few simple taps.

Yahoo News (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SIRIUS-XM-Radio-Now-Available-prnews-2499530812.html?x=0&.v=1) - June 18, 2009

[Lyn]

Wow Richard, great news.

I am now watching Bob Grant, who appears to be broadcasting from his bedroom. Can someone straighten that picture on the wall, please?

Looking forward to 12:00 P.M. :D

[ramf02]

unionguy, what's your point? I'm well aware of the existence of sirius/xm. I have multiple receivers myself. I was just pointing out that *eventually* cars would be wired with 3 (or whatever number)G capability in the future. Ford is already doing this. You would be able to surf the web directly from your radio or seat in back. your response is like telling me 15 years ago that you can listen to cd's in your car because portable cd players have an adaptor that can plug into the tape deck. Now we have cd players embedded into the cars and radios instead of hooking in additional equipment. See my point? Now maybe for the interim, if they were smart, they'd come out with a sort of dock for iphones (like they now have for ipods) that will allow you to control your iphone (and internet) through the radio/controller.

[Lyn]

Richard,

Excellent show. Great subject matter. I love it. Your studio is so more propfessional than Bob Grant's bedroom.

I have a signal out here in the field today and hope I can catch one again tomorrow.

Happy to have you back.

[Richard Bey]

Thanks, Lyn!!!

Its fun but not as easy as it looks...in the beginning I guess nothing is!

[Lyn]

Thanks, Lyn!!!

Its fun but not as easy as it looks...in the beginning I guess nothing is!

... but you're good at it. It will all fall into place.

Happy Birthday!

[ramf02]

anyone know where to go to get the replay?

[Philly]

Wow!! Great.

Because I have a dial up connection, I can't see the video because of the connection speed, but I can listen!

Commercial talk radio has become too polarized. It will be great ro hear some non-fear mongering, intelligent and witty conversation.

What is you skype and twitter connection for the program?

[CRB]

Great news!

I'll try to tune in during lunch next week.

[CRB]

I watched today, nice format.

[marie from yonkers]

Saw some of each...great...I do like your background too. Things are looking up...up up...

[Richard Bey]

We're still working on it...but it gets better each day...

I'm trying to mix pop culture, politics and some edgy comedy together and see what rises in the oven...sometimes you don't know what kind of cake you'll get until its done...

You can email live during the show and on the screen at Richardbey@UbaTV.com

Thanks...

[PeteE]

I'm watching the show now. It's great to see you again.. Guess it must be an archive show because it's 3pm EDT now.

[PeteE]

An interesting group in the Free for All format.

(Why are people so focussed on Obama's birth certificate? The state of Hawaii just confirmed it again the other day. It's real. He's President.)

[Bart Lidofsky]

An interesting group in the Free for All format.

(Why are people so focussed on Obama's birth certificate? The state of Hawaii just confirmed it again the other day. It's real. He's President.)
Here's the problem. Due to a glitch in the law when Obama was born, if he was born in another country, then he was not a U.S. citizen (had his mother been a few months older, there would be no problem at all). There is a rumor, fueled by a statement supposedly made by his grandmother (I have not seen any authoritative source as to this, but there may be), that he was born in Kenya, and brought back to Hawaii when he was a few days old.

The document that was produced, the "Certificate of Live Birth", is a document that was, at the time, granted on a parent's say-so; there did not even have to be evidence that the parent actually gave birth to a child. So the story being passed around is that Obama's mother gave birth in Kenya, rushed back to the U.S., and registered the birth so her child would have U.S. citizenship (as I mentioned since she was not quite yet 19 at the time of the birth, the law at the time declared that if Obama was born in Kenya, he was NOT automatically a U.S. citizen, and therefore it would be problematic as to whether or not he passes the Constitutional requirements).

And here is the controversy: At the time, Hawaii DID issue a far more authoritative birth certificate, giving the name of the hospital and the obstetrician's name. So, theoretically speaking, this birth certificate exists. Hawaii, however, will not release this birth certificate without Obama's permission or a court order. And Obama has steadfastly refused to give permission, and, in lawsuit after lawsuit (which were decided not on the basis that Obama could prove his citizenship, but on the basis that the people bringing suit did not have standing), rather than just give permission for the birth certificate to be released, Obama has sent lawyers to fight tooth and nail to keep it from being released.

So, even reasonable people who know the facts, and believe that even if Obama is not a U.S. citizen, it is on a technicality, and certainly not within the apparent spirit of the law (which was probably meant to apply to the children of an American teen living in a foreign country, not just visiting it), ask why the hell he just doesn't give permission for the authoritative birth certificate to be released, rather than fighting tooth and nail to keep it from being released?

I HOPE that this is a fair statement of the facts.

[PeteE]

The relevant clause in the Constitution is as follows:


No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

John Jay's statement to propose this addition to the Constitution is as follows:


"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

If it is true that Obama's mother, who is American born and whom I don't believe lost her citizenship in her time abroad, did give birth abroad but nonetheless managed to fly that baby to Hawaii within a few days and managed to get her baby an American birth certificate.. and that baby was then (for the great majority of his life) raised in America... I really don't see how he violated the spirit of the concerns that led Jay and others to put that condition into the Constitution.

The fact is that Obama does have a birth certificate that states that he was born in this country. If it was falsified years later, that could be of importance, in my view. On the other hand, if it was the case of an American born woman rushing her baby back to America so the baby would be an American citizen, then I'd say that the founding fathers would consider him to be an Natural Born.

[ramf02]

anyone know how to get the replays?

[PeteE]

anyone know how to get the replays?

I've gone to the site and played around. At first, it played another show. Then I somehow got Richard's show. Now I only get Richard it seems when I return to the site.

I can't tell you what I did to get that, though.

[Rainking]

It looks like UBATV just changed the format of their homepage which makes it easy to find replays of all shows.

Replays can be found here: http://www.ubatv.com/Channel.aspx?Show=5a

Richard, the show is coming along great and it's a pleasure to be able to see / hear you again.

[Richard Bey]

Do they have my show archived? I think you must be watching Street Sense which is a sort of end of week party wrapup on Thursday nights...

[unionguy]

Do they have my show archived? I think you must be watching Street Sense which is a sort of end of week party wrapup on Thursday nights...

Nah, keep watching. Street Sense is just an preview. You are archived. :D

[Bart Lidofsky]

If it is true that Obama's mother, who is American born and whom I don't believe lost her citizenship in her time abroad, did give birth abroad but nonetheless managed to fly that baby to Hawaii within a few days and managed to get her baby an American birth certificate.. and that baby was then (for the great majority of his life) raised in America... I really don't see how he violated the spirit of the concerns that led Jay and others to put that condition into the Constitution.
Spirit, no. Letter, probably not, but maybe. Apparently, in 1961, there was a law which, under certain circumstances, the child of a single American parent and a foreign parent born abroad was not automatically a U.S. citizen. The American mother being under the age of 19 being one of them. Now, while I am not a lawyer, the rule seems to have been for American women LIVING abroad, not those just visiting, but it WAS the law.

I have, well, second hand experience with this sort of thing. My aunt, born in the United States, discovered at one point that she was not a U.S. citizen, and had not been for years. Didn't stop her from voting; she only found out when she applied for a passport at the age of 68. It seems that her husband of oer 4 decades was not a U.S. citizen when they were married. Also, at the time they were married, there was a short-lived law which revoked the citizenship of American women who married non-American citizens, as a short-sighted way of stopping the then equivalent of "green card" marriages. The law was quickly repealed, but she got married during the cusp. Her husband became an American citizen within a very short period of time. She was able to recover her citizenship, but it took a WHOLE bunch of paperwork, and we all had a good laugh. AFTER the fact.

The fact is that Obama does have a birth certificate that states that he was born in this country. If it was falsified years later, that could be of importance, in my view. On the other hand, if it was the case of an American born woman rushing her baby back to America so the baby would be an American citizen, then I'd say that the founding fathers would consider him to be an Natural Born.What he has produced was a document that would have been issued even if he had not been born in the United States. As I mentioned, if he was not a U.S. citizen, it was on a technicality, so the question should be whether or not we should invalidate laws after the fact because we don't like them. Personally, I believe that, just like McCain's citizenship, if this was the case then it should have been determined BEFORE the election.

But I STILL want to know why Obama is fighting so hard to keep the original document from being revealed. If it were George Bush blocking documentation of his past, would so many people be giving him the benefit of the doubt?

[PeteE]

But I STILL want to know why Obama is fighting so hard to keep the original document from being revealed. If it were George Bush blocking documentation of his past, would so many people be giving him the benefit of the doubt?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111194869&sc=fb&cc=fp


Why Do Doubts About Obama's Birthplace Persist?
by Liz Halloran

July 29, 2009
Barack Obama was still a long-shot presidential candidate when he posted copies of his Hawaii-issued birth certificate online to satisfy fringe conspiracists who claimed he wasn't born in the United States.

Public service "fact check" Web sites responding to persistent right-wing agitators confirmed nearly a year ago that the certificate is authentic; they turned up a 1961 item in The Honolulu Advertiser announcing the Aug. 4 birth of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama of Kalanianaole Hwy."And though it could hamstring his network's very own Obama birthplace skeptic, show host Lou Dobbs, the president of CNN — after a "reinvestigation" of the fable — proclaimed the so-called birthers story dead.
Good luck with that.

[PeteE]

From Dick Cheney's favorite fact checking site..

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/the-last-word-we-wish/


The Last Word? We Wish.
July 28, 2009
We at FactCheck.org are grateful to the Obama birth certificate conspiracy theorists for hundreds of thousands of page views to our "Born in the U.S.A." article from last November, and to our other items debunking some of their more outrageously false claims. We’re less grateful for their thousands of sometimes abusive e-mails claiming that we’re perpetuating a dangerous falsehood, among the more printable comments. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, is also fed up. She has now released her second statement (the first was made last November) saying that state records show Obama was indeed born in the U.S.A. This one states unequivocally that he is "a natural-born American citizen," and will everyone please just leave it alone now? (We confess we are paraphrasing that second part.)

[PeteE]

So you're running for President.. can you prove that you are a Natural Born Citizen?

Yes, here's the birth certificate.

OH MY.. THE PRESIDENT ISN'T A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

But I am.. here's the birth certificate.

FINALLY! BUT I DEMAND TO KNOW WHY THE COVERUP!!!!!

[CRB]

Tried to tune in today but the UBA site went down right before Richard's show was about to begin.

[CRB]

It's back now, but real choppy.

[CRB]

Great show today but the feed dropped halfway through the healthcare segment.

Hope I didn't ruin the show with my comments. ;)

[Richard Bey]

You were great...thanks so much for listening...looked like the board was having a lively discussion about the recession as well!

take care...

[CRB]

I couldn't catch the show live but watched it after work.

You really hit your stride today, Richard. Great flow, interesting topics, funny jokes. Well done.

[CRB]

BTW, were you ever right about Glenn Beck. I used to think he was another Michael Smerconish, but now it's pretty obvious that he has a few screws loose. Even FoxNews seems to be distancing themselves from his latest comment on Obama.

[Richard Bey]

Thanks CRB!!!

I think Monday was a good show and today was pretty good too...Its a new format and a great place to use as a lab to see what works and what doesnt and to keep oneself sharp...and pick up a few bucks. Until they reopen that fund every dollar counts...

Thanks so much for the feedback...its really important to me...

take care.

[Bart Lidofsky]

So you're running for President.. can you prove that you are a Natural Born Citizen?

Yes, here's the birth certificate.
Yes, that is A birth certificate. It is not the birth certificate in question, however.

In 1961, Hawaii had two kinds of birth certificates; an official one filled out by the physician in the hospital of birth, and one which could be gained by a parent filling out a form, with no evidence of an actual birth being necessary. The latter is the birth certificate that Obama has produced. IF (and that is the operative term) he was born in Kenya, and went to the U.S. several days later, his mother still could have gotten the certificate, and the notice could still have been placed in the paper. Especially if she knew about the loophole in the law which would have meant a bunch of paperwork to make Barry a citizen.

If he was not born in Kenya, then the other, more authoritative, birth certificate exists. And all we need to see it is his permission, or a court order. This is the document he has been fighting tooth and nail to keep from being released. I have three theories. In reverse order of my belief as to their likelihood:

1) There IS something in his past that will be damaging to him if it is revealed. By fighting tooth and nail to keep ANY part of his past from being revealed, it splits the effort to find the real vulnerability. There is a legitimate hospital birth certificate, however.

2) There is something in his hospital birth certificate which is somehow embarrassing or worse to him, and he is trying to keep it hidden.

3) The conspiracy nuts are right.

Any other theories?

[unionguy]

Any other theories?

Yeah, here's one. Maybe this is his "Rosa Parks" moment. Where he doesn't feel compelled to provide any documentation that was not required of the last 43 WHITE Presidents. But as I have said before, because one of his parents was foriegn born from a "third world country" where we like to assume that "these" people will do whatever they have to (lie, cheat, steal)to assure American citizenship for their children, this particular President is now required to produce additional documentation that no other "WHITE" predecessor has had too.

This stinks of racism

Obama has done everything that every other president before him has. It is now time for the looney "birthers" to provide proof that Obama was born outside the USA (like a birth certificate from Kenya) or they need to sit down and shut up.

Oh by the way, here's a question that I mentioned before. If President Obama had to get one of the highest security clearances in the country when he took the job of POTUS, wouldn't something as simple as not being born in the U.S or lack of a birth certificate been discovered and red flagged by the FBI? I know it would of been leaked by our corporatist government and media if something was not right.

[PeteE]

Any other theories?

Yeah, there are people like you who don't like Obama so you keep poking this with a stick even though there is nothing here.

I don't have the second birth certificate that you describe and I don't need it to prove that I'm a natural born citizen. The fact is that he was recorded at the time of his birth as being born in this country. Everything else is just smoke.

From http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Yeah, here's one. Maybe this is his "Rosa Parks" moment. Where he doesn't feel compelled to provide any documentation that was not required of the last 43 WHITE Presidents.
He doesn't feel compelled to provide any documentation that WAS required of the last several Presidents. I don't recall any albinos being President, however. BTW, can you tell me which of the last 10 presidents did not produce their birth certificates?

[Bart Lidofsky]

For those who have not seen the show yet, there's a continuous chat on the side which Rich's producer watches, and occasionally comments on (although, at one point, if I had known she would have interrupted a sketch to put on my piece of translation trivia, I probably wouldn't have typed it; my apologies).

[Richard Bey]

No problem, Bart...thanks for tuning in....

[unionguy]

He doesn't feel compelled to provide any documentation that WAS required of the last several Presidents. I don't recall any albinos being President, however. BTW, can you tell me which of the last 10 presidents did not produce their birth certificates?

Source please. I can't find anywhere where any past president was required to show any documentation proving citizenship or a birth certificate. So as near as I can tell, all 10 of the last presidents did not produce their birth certificates. No POTUS birth certificates (accept Obama's certificate of live birth) seem to be online.

[unionguy]

Source please. I can't find anywhere where any past president was required to show any documentation proving citizenship or a birth certificate. So as near as I can tell, all 10 of the last presidents did not produce their birth certificates. No POTUS birth certificates (accept Obama's certificate of live birth) seem to be online.

Ooops.... I might have found John F. Kennedy's birth certificate, but it will cost you Just $9.95 + $3 shipping (http://www.insidersecrets.info/jfkcollectibles.htm)

A copy of President George W. Bush's birth certificate seems to be at the Texas State Archives (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/40090/tsl-40090.html)


Biographical and family information consists of newspaper clippings, magazine articles, biographical sketches, correspondence, memos, lists, a transcript, a birth certificate, introductions, and speeches, used to prepare biographical sketches, introductions to speeches, and responses to correspondents. A small amount of material concerns Barbara Bush and Jeb Bush, mother and brother to the governor.


Although it does just say "a birth certificate", not necessarily his. :eek:

I did a quick search of the US National Archives and Records Administration (http://www.archives.gov/) of the last 10 presidents birth certificates and none were found. Kinda weird, huh? Especially if they were required to provide them.

[Bart Lidofsky]

I did a quick search of the US National Archives and Records Administration (http://www.archives.gov/) of the last 10 presidents birth certificates and none were found. Kinda weird, huh? Especially if they were required to provide them.
I didn't say they were required to provide them; in general, nobody tries to require that someone show something that they supply voluntarily.

I still like what I call the "magic emerald" theory. A king has a magic emerald. As long as the magic emerald stays within his possession, he will remain king, but if it is stolen, he will lose the kingdom. Rather than put the emerald under special guard, he takes a dozen emeralds, one of which is the magic emerald, and puts each one of them under separate special guard. This way, if someone succeeds in stealing one, there is only a 1 in 12 chance that the thief will steal the genuine emerald, and he can deny that there IS a magic emerald, and if the wrong one is stolen, he can say, "See?"

My guess is that Obama DOES have something he wants to hide, but, to split the efforts of his opponents, he has hidden virtually EVERYTHING about his past. I believe that the birth certificate is one of the "fake emeralds"; at some point, he will produce the real document, say, "I told you so!" and use it to discredit other efforts to uncover his records.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Rich, couldn't call in, but you have seen my own outline for a solution to America's health problems.

As was pointed out by Bush's opponents (and a bunch of his supporters), winning the election does not mean that you can ignore the Constitution. The U.S. government has been using the power to regulate interstate trade to do all sorts of things which it really should not be doing (note that in the early part of the 20th century, it was felt that a Constitutional amendment was required to allow the federal government to prohibit alcoholic beverages, yet the government has been doing the equivalent for years with other mind-altering substances with no amendment). A monopolistic national health service seems to be a violation of the 13th Amendment (well, so did the draft; THAT was justified by the Supreme Court on nebulous "International Law" grounds, as well).

On the other hand, the power of Congress to pass laws to recognize which state laws, notably with contracts, can be recognized by the other states can be used to help with national health care; notably, as I have mentioned before, creating a national standard for health insurance which they will recognize for people wishing to purchase insurance from out of state.

A national health plan, however, is a major, major change in the way the United States works, and should not be done in back rooms by Congress. A committee, containing recognized experts in the field, should be convened, meet PUBLICLY, and create a cohesive plan. An initial deadline of 3-6 months should be fine, especially as the fact that they are meeting in public will allow for public examination of their proposals as they come up with them.

Or, we could say, "Hey, we have to do something. Let's pass the law to sacrifice 10 virgins on the full moon BEFORE the next full moon. Do you WANT children to die?????" or the equivalent.

[computerbroker]

Sorry to burst your bubble but FactCheck.org is funded by the Annenburg Foundation.


:
FactCheck itself, as a project primarily funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly fits the bill of being a disinterested party, especially given Obama's four year stint as founding chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, currently being investigated due to its massive withholding of papers which document the catestrophic failure of the project, including public funds wasted under Obama's leadership, and his relations in that project with former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers.


This article from the Israel Insider goes on to explain many other birth certificate inconsistencies:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm

Obama's real birth certificate is posted here:
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/kenyandocument-top.jpg

More info is here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

[Richard Bey]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106135

Obama birth doc update: Kenya sources weigh in
Comparison with similar certificates suggests fakery, WND probe reveals

Gee, if even Whirly Nut Daily is saying its not true (after promoting it) it must be a POS...

[PeteE]

Sorry to burst your bubble but FactCheck.org is funded by the Annenburg Foundation.

This article from the Israel Insider goes on to explain many other birth certificate inconsistencies:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm

Obama's real birth certificate is posted here:
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/kenyandocument-top.jpg

More info is here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

It's funny that you attack factcheck.org because it's funded by the Annenburg Foundation, then go on to promote the research of Jerome Corsi and others at the World Net Daily as being unbiased.

I have read the writings of Corsi. While there it is true that any organization has its biases and I consider it relevant that factcheck.org's funding comes from an organization sympathetic to Obama, I have found factcheck.org over the years to consistently question both sides. I can not say the same about Corsi.

[PeteE]

And.. oh looky.. check out the birth certificate store!


http://shop.wnd.com/store/subdept.asp?SUBDEPARTMENT_ID=251

[CRB]

More importantly... is Richard going to let Jessica sing on his show tomorrow? ;)

[PeteE]

More importantly... is Richard going to let Jessica sing on his show tomorrow? ;)


I'm watching the free for all segment now. Richard is a great host.

[Richard Bey]

Awww, thanks ....

[marie from yonkers]

Awww, thanks ....

It's called Charisma...and Talent...loyalty and dedication to one's heart...lol

[ramf02]

Richard,

Just for the record, I want to hear you talk about health care!! Good job breaking down rush's points about the nazi comparison. Few people in the media would take the time or effort to make an intellectual analysis these days. I started off disagreeing with you at the start, then was totally on your side. Also, the analysis of the protestors was fair -- acknowledged their right to free speech, offered a suggestion on how their message could be more effective, then tied it in with a historical reference. That aspect is really different from all the talking heads we see on tv now.

Finally ... may I offer a suggestion? Try and incorporate some of the original tv show sounds from here http://www.richardbey.org/sounds/ into the show. The FABulous would have been perfect for your rendition of "I kissed a man and i liked it" hahahahahaha
Frank

[Richard Bey]

Thanks Frank,

....and great suggestions...I should give the board a plug as well.

I'll try with the sound effects...but you don't know how hard it is just to get an hour together everyday...I jump out of bed at 730, run for the paper, hit the internet, download clips and send them in and scan the articles and try to format the show in my head...and then some days come up with a comic character and bit.

...but it is great fun!

[CRB]

No show today, I hope everything is ok.

[Valerie]

Caught the show on Friday, saw CRB and Rainking there... I really like the show...it's a pretty cool medium...I'd watch it again!

I can see that's almost impossible to be interactive since so much information is presented in just 60 minutes.

I would have rather just seen Richard there by himself..I thought the co-person off to the side with the computer was sort of a distraction, especially when you just hear her voice in the background. Just my opinion, I know the "guys" in the chat room might disagree :)

Does everyone on ubatv have a person off to the side like that?

I think you did great job Richard!

[Richard Bey]

Thanks Val...

We're continuously working out the kinks but it is getting better...

[Valerie]

I think it's a great show Richard...seems to run pretty smooth....I got to see it again this morning...9 AM here in Phx.

Can you believe I'm home with the Swine Flu!!....so far the best part about it has been being able to watch your show!!

Really...needs to be longer than an hour ....

[Valerie]

Frank was that you in the chat room today?

[Richard Bey]

Thanks, Val...

Hope you feel better soon...I'm still a bit out of it from the loooong weekend in Hershey!!!

take care,

RB

[CRB]

PE, was that you in the chat room today?

[PeteE]

PE, was that you in the chat room today?

Yes, that was me. Unfortunately, I'm at work during that time and they've gotten very strict about streaming. They haven't yet blocked access to the site but they will at some point.

[unionguy]

They haven't yet blocked access to the site but they will at some point.

Nazi Corporatist!!!! :eek:
(just kidding) :D

[ramf02]

Richard,

How about using Found Out About You by the Gin Blossoms every once in a while for bumper music ...

Frank

[Richard Bey]

Frank...lately there haven't been any bumpers!!

[PeteE]

Nazi Corporatist!!!! :eek:
(just kidding) :D

Well, their filter leads to some funny results. I recently tried to go to a Native American History Museum site as I was thinking of attending the Corn Festival coming up and I got blocked.

"The following site is PORNOGRAPHY. Your access has been blocked!"

[Bart Lidofsky]

Well, their filter leads to some funny results. I recently tried to go to a Native American History Museum site as I was thinking of attending the Corn Festival coming up and I got blocked.

"The following site is PORNOGRAPHY. Your access has been blocked!"
I missed you there. And it was listed on MY website (http://www.midbergen.com/index.php?module=EventLiner&func=view&viewtype=details&date=2009-08-16&id=50)...

I'll have an article up within the next day or so.

[PeteE]

Is Richard leaving UBA TV? It sounded that way at the end of today's show.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Last time I was in Katz' Deli:

http://bartl.home.sprynet.com/images/katz.jpg

[Bart Lidofsky]

Re: Richard committing a crime: If your producer had read the second part of my message, she would have noticed that I was referring to practicing medicine without a license (calling a person "paranoid").

On the other hand, with the plastic handgun, I was referring to New York State Law which prohibits toy handguns that could be mistaken for the real thing.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4189/is_20090731/ai_n32400901/

[Richard Bey]

Pete, I'm not leaving...although I will be in Florida next Mon-Wed.

Bart---OMG, I broke the law on internet TV!!!

Twice!!!!!

[PeteE]

I was held up by a toy gun once in Manhattan. It looked real so it scared the shit out of me.

I think you only break the law if you act like it's real.

[Richard Bey]

I think I'll take a shower with my gun...like the guy with the AR-15.

After all, you can never be too careful. Remember PSYCHO??

[Bart Lidofsky]

According to the usually reliable WebMD (http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/public-breastfeeding-tips):

Breastfeeding in public is a right in all 50 states, a fact many women don't realize. At least half of states have laws specifically protecting the rights of the breastfeeding mom.

[Richard Bey]

BART, you are my official fact checker...

[Lyn]

It may be legal, but I think it's unnecessary. That's why Johnson and Johnson invented 'breast pumps.'

How do they know, Bart, that many women don't realize it?' That phrase is over used in the media. Is it over used because the person reporting it want's to appear more knowledgable than the 'average person?'

[Bart Lidofsky]

It may be legal, but I think it's unnecessary. That's why Johnson and Johnson invented 'breast pumps.'

How do they know, Bart, that many women don't realize it?' That phrase is over used in the media. Is it over used because the person reporting it want's to appear more knowledgable than the 'average person?'
Start paying me the salary of the head of WebMD, and I will make policy statements for them.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Sigh. i give several "factoids", and the one that gets taken? Another piece of breast info.

I thought that this was the Richard Bey show, not the Bill O'Reilly show.

BTW, speaking of factoids, Jerry Van Dyke was offered the role to play the replacement for Don Knotts on The Andy Griffith Show, having tested extremely well when tried out in one episode. He turned it down. Instead, he took the lead in "My Mother the Car".

[Bart Lidofsky]

Who says you can't learn anything from television?

From the New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222009/news/nationalnews/implants_idd_slay_victim_185964.htm):

Authorities were able to identify a slain swimsuit model's body through her breast implants, after her former reality-star ex-hubby allegedly chopped off her fingers and knocked out her teeth to slow down investigators, it was reported yesterday.

Cops used the serial numbers off the implants to identify her, TMZ reported. All breast implants are numbered and can be tracked through manufacturers.

[marie from yonkers]

I watched something on *UBA TV* Deal or Date...OMG...I was exhausted how hard you had to run around and remember all that stuff. You look great in a bow tie. There was too much for you to do. IMO...But you did a great job. Maybe it was a Friday nite show.

Do Conan's show...I could see you in that chair...very easily...a natural...who do you have to see on that...God save the Queen..he is hard to watch.

[CRB]

Will Richard be on vacation all week?

[PeteE]

Will Richard be on vacation all week?

He said last week that he'll be gone Mon-Wed.

[CRB]

He said last week that he'll be gone Mon-Wed.

Thanks. I'll try to tune in at lunchtime.

[Bart Lidofsky]

A) I want to send an update to IMDB to say when you were on Password. By the way, at least according to IMDB and Wikipedia, Dick Clark was never the host of Password; it was Allen Ludden. There WAS a secondary host named JACK Clark. Could that have been him?

B) Fresca is diet grapefruit. I would have gotten it wrong; I thought that it didn't even come out until AFTER Johnson's Presidency. Seeing that he came from Texas, I would have guessed A&W Root Beer. Yoo-Hoo was a northeast drink; it was probably the worst choice. And, to those who said otherwise, the major flavor in Fresca is "concentrated grapefruit juice", with "natural flavors" occurring way down the list.

[PeteE]

Great show today, Richard.

Although you were not convincing when you said "GET OFF MY PHONE!" ;)

[Richard Bey]

Thanks, Pete...

...and Bart: I made a correction today at the top of the show. The game show I was on was not PASSWORD. It was $10,000 PYRAMID. That's why I could use multiple word clues to Lynn Regrave...

uh-DUH for me!!

[CRB]

You'll never get a show on Fox News channel by issuing corrections like that. ;)

[Richard Bey]

...and Roger Ailes was just about to call!! lol

[Bart Lidofsky]

...and Bart: I made a correction today at the top of the show. The game show I was on was not PASSWORD. It was $10,000 PYRAMID. That's why I could use multiple word clues to Lynn Regrave...
If it's not on IMDB yet, I'll see if I can put it on. Hey, a credit's a credit!

.....returning, based on the information you gave, I believe that you were on the July 8, 1974 episode. Was Leonard Nimoy also there?

[CRB]

I believe that you were on the July 8, 1974 episode.

My birthday! (I was 5)

[Richard Bey]

Bart...I thought I played against Dick Cavett...but the date sounds about right...It was 74 or 75 or 76...

[Richard Bey]

Here it is!!!


August 2, 1976 to August 6, 1976


Lynn Redgrave & Dick Cavett

[Bart Lidofsky]

Here it is!!!


August 2, 1976 to August 6, 1976


Lynn Redgrave & Dick Cavett
Fixed and submitted. I put you down playing: "Himself-Contestant".

[Richard Bey]

Bart, thanks for watching...

...and you are a font of knowledge!!

Sometimes obscure knowledge, but nonetheless a font!!

[Bart Lidofsky]

Bart, thanks for watching...

...and you are a font of knowledge!!

Sometimes obscure knowledge, but nonetheless a font!!
One suggestion, having finally called your show. Is there any way you can pipe the show into the phone when the caller is on hold?

As far as the info goes, I did some research on the subject a few years back based on people making fun of a comic my mother wrote and edited: ANDY'S ATOMIC ADVENTURES. (http://comics.org/details.lasso?id=251405)

[marie from yonkers]

Watched your show that Frank Murano put on Facebook. It was great. Rich, I want you to sit at the other end of the table...lol :) I think you are more comfortable there; on the left of Mr. Tobacco. You are looking good, and Jay is totally off the wall, though very knowledgeable...Only thing I didn't like, for what it is worth: there is too much background annoying noise. You guys are too entertaining, funny and smart. It made me nuts. You are yelling louder, and I do like the exchange of thoughts in free style with no editing. Keep up the good work. Sing in between yelling or recite poetry...You are a man for all seasons. Cheers. I do like the empathy, I see.

[Richard Bey]

Thanks, Marie....


That was one wild show...

...and what happened afterward was even Billy Wilder!

[Bart Lidofsky]

To finish off what I was trying to say in today's show:

We are being promised that the public option won't put other insurance companies out of business. If so, then why bother did they put in the bill that the bureaucracy that runs the public option has the sole power to decide whether or not individual private insurance companies stay in business?

We are promised that there will be no "death panels", which could be better termed as medical rationing boards. Then why is the bureaucracy that runs the public option given that power?

We are being promised that taxpayer money will not be used to pay for illegal aliens; more specifically that people won't be denied medical care they paid for so that it can be given to illegal aliens who didn't. But if that is so, then why are illegal aliens being used in the figures to sell the bill? Where is the language in the bill that says that the public option won't be available to illegal aliens?

The bill is essentially giving full regulatory control with no oversight to an unelected bureaucracy. Worse, they want that same bureaucracy to run the competition. If they simply forbid any insurance company from operating other than the public one, they will have life and death power over almost every man, woman and child in America. And government bureaucracies have a history of making regulations which are only peripherally connected to the power they are only marginally related to what they are supposed to be doing (such as requiring states to have a 21 year old minimum drinking age in order to receive federal highway funds).

We are receiving promises that the power that is being given to these bureaucracies will not be abused. Yet, the current medical reform acts are creating a bureaucracy with no Congressional oversight which will be able to define their own powers and set their own budget.

There may be complaints about the potential abuses, but what they really boil down to is a bill which allows a level of abuse that makes the Patriot Act look thorough innocuous in comparison (at least THAT had some checks built in).

Being against the current plans is NOT the same thing as being against health care reform, any more than being against the sacrifice of virgins means that you WANT the volcano to explode.

[Richard Bey]

If so, then why bother did they put in the bill that the bureaucracy that runs the public option has the sole power to decide whether or not individual private insurance companies stay in business?

1. They didn't. You're confusing the public option with the Insurance Exchange.
The Exchange would be open to any insurer who offers a product that meets the federal standards and abides by the rating (i.e. pricing) rules set out by the legislation.


Where is the language in the bill that says that the public option won't be available to illegal aliens?

2. The bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Current law also prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.


The bill is essentially giving full regulatory control with no oversight to an unelected bureaucracy. Worse, they want that same bureaucracy to run the competition.

3. Not true. As stated the requirements would apply only to the Exchange. Insurance companies can sell any kind of insurance they want. In fact, the legislation allows (page 84) any company that offers an approved basic plan to offer also an “enhanced” plan, a “premium” plan and even a “premium plus” plan that could include vision and dental benefits.

So where is the rationing? One could buy a premium plus plan if one wanted to do so.

[Bart Lidofsky]

3. Not true. As stated the requirements would apply only to the Exchange. Insurance companies can sell any kind of insurance they want. In fact, the legislation allows (page 84) any company that offers an approved basic plan to offer also an “enhanced” plan, a “premium” plan and even a “premium plus” plan that could include vision and dental benefits.

So where is the rationing? One could buy a premium plus plan if one wanted to do so.
"Approved" being the key word.

[Richard Bey]

You're confusing again the public option with the Exchange.

[Bart Lidofsky]

You're confusing again the public option with the Exchange.
Both will be run by the same people.

A few other things. First of all, how can there not be rationing of health care? At least now, if an insurance company turns down too many claims, people will move to the competition. When it's just the government, you will have no choice.

As far as illegal immigrants go, Republicans tried to get language inserted into the bill requiring that those administrating the insurance determine the citizenship status of applicants. The Democrats refused to add it to the bill. In other words, it will be "don't ask, don't tell".

As far as treating illegal immigrants go, I have stated that I am in favor of the following:

1) Illegal immigrants can be diagnosed, no questions asked.
2) If they have a communicable disease, they will be treated and released.
3) If they have a non-communicable disease, they can either elect not to be treated, and leave, or they can elect to be treated, at which point they will be stabilized and turned over to ICE.

In other words, illegal immigrants will not be deported for seeking medical help. Only if they have a non-communicable condition AND they choose to be treated should they be turned in.

[Bart Lidofsky]

When I made the statement that was read on today's show, it was based on your hostess' comment that opposition to Obama was based in racism.

Now, in context, I was trying to point out that the thinking behind that sort of statement is based in the concepts of political correctness, the left wing philosophical concept that there is no objective reality, that reality is filtered through one's politics, and that their philosophy is the only correct one. By that idea, ideas that are right of center are, by definition, insanity (because those holding them are seeing a false reality rather than a true one). In terms of Obama, that means that any opposition to his policies must be either based on insanity, or there is an ulterior motive. Since the common parlance is that people with dark skin are de facto morally superior to those with lighter skin, then the explanation is that opposition is not based on honest disagreement, but racism.

As far as Congressman Wilson's outburst, either it IS precedented, or it's somehow OK when the Democrats boo the President during an address, as they did to Bush. At least Congressman Wilson had the guts to do it himself, rather than provide passes to a group to do it for him, as whichever Democrats provided the passes to Code Pink during several of President Bush's speeches.

However, there was, of course, an ulterior motive; it was the only way that most of the press would even cover the opposition to Obama's plan.

Finally, as far as Obama being a con artist, he is a master at giving what appears to be an answer to a question, but is not. He keeps denying that there will be direct action by the federal government, but keeping quiet about the government indirectly causing the things he promises they won't do. Kind of like putting poison in someone's sugar, and saying, "I didn't put any poison in his coffee." For example, he has declared that illegal aliens will not be subsidized with government funds. They will, however, be allowed to buy into the system, on all the current bills. And, if the government follows its current policies, there will be no requirement that someone prove that they are a citizen or permanent resident to get the protection, which means that unless the person admits to being an illegal alien, they WILL be covered under the current plan. And, for the nevvahappa crowd, note that in committee, when Republicans proposed putting a requirement for someone signing up for insurance proving that they are legally in the United States, the Democratic members unanimously voted against any such provision.

[CRB]

Bart, your criticism seems to be based on cherry-picking parts of the various proposed bills and transferring the blame to Obama.

Obama nor the White House wrote any of the proposed bills. Obama's plan is the one he outlined Wednesday night.

You're calling Obama a "con artist" while playing 3 card monte yourself.

[Richard Bey]

Currently, illegal immigrants are prohibited from accessing Medicaid or Medicare services, because they are banned by law from receiving government-funded entitlements. But they can purchase private health insurance.

Obama's proposal would not change this but it would prohibit illegal immigrants from getting any federal monies that are part of the plan or have any participation in the insurance exchange.

Right now, almost 60% of illegal immigrants HAVE health insurance of some sort (privately purchased).

I still don't see how proposed healthcare reform changes anything for illegal aliens...

And I still don't see how those like Rep. Joe Wilson are anything but liars when they say healthcare reform will fund illegal aliens.

As for charges of racism, in many instances I would agree with you. But I don't think its a coincidence that a significant portion of the population (especially in an area that had STATE ENFORCED segregation during my lifetime) thinks the first black President of the United States is not even an American!

And as for Rep. Wilson ...alright, I'm game...if its not unprecedented name another instance when a member of Congress called out that the President was a liar during a congressional address.

Now Obama speaking to students: THAT is unprecedented...uh, except for Reagans address in '88 and Bush's address in '91!

As for this:
it was the only way that most of the press would even cover the opposition to Obama's plan.

You must be joking, right? For the last two months that is ALL THEY'VE COVERED!! LOL

[marie from yonkers]

That's great Rich. Something for eveyone's enjoyment.

:)

[Bart Lidofsky]

Bart, your criticism seems to be based on cherry-picking parts of the various proposed bills and transferring the blame to Obama.

Obama nor the White House wrote any of the proposed bills. Obama's plan is the one he outlined Wednesday night.

You're calling Obama a "con artist" while playing 3 card monte yourself.
I am going by Obama's current policy of skirting the laws involving illegal aliens, particularly with medical care, with an official "don't ask, don't tell" policy. So, saying that the law will not cover illegal aliens is meaningless in the context of his own policies.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Obama's proposal would not change this but it would prohibit illegal immigrants from getting any federal monies that are part of the plan or have any participation in the insurance exchange.
But, if Obama continues his current policies towards illegal immigrants, there will be no requirement to prove that they are legally here to get federal monies or have participation in the insurance exchange. In other words, we'll have the law, but, based on current policy, it won't be enforced. And language to enforce such prohibitions have been unanimously voted down by the Democrats in the House.

[CRB]

I am going by Obama's current policy of skirting the laws involving illegal aliens, particularly with medical care, with an official "don't ask, don't tell" policy. So, saying that the law will not cover illegal aliens is meaningless in the context of his own policies.

I'm not following you, what is this policy? Is it written down anywhere?

[Richard Bey]

Earlier this month, the government announced notices went to 652 U.S. companies suspected of employing illegal workers. Violations could result in fines, other administrative actions or even criminal charges. The number of cases announced by the Obama administration this month is almost 30% greater than all those launched by the Bush administration throughout the entire last fiscal year, officials said.

"What you are talking about, fundamentally, are employers who are cheating," said a senior administration official involved in the changes. "What we are talking about is taking unfair competition out of the market."

Reviews from business groups are mixed. In the past, "there was this whole idea of demonizing undocumented workers," said Angelo Amador, who heads immigration policy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Now there's a shift, which is, 'Let's demonize employers,' and we don't think either is going to be very effective."

Peter Schey, a lawyer for American Apparel Inc., a Los Angeles clothing manufacturer and retailer that admitted it was among the 652 firms targeted, said the new administration's tactics amount to "a far more rational approach to work site enforcement." The White House should go even further, he said, and focus on those who run "sweatshops" and criminally exploit migrant workers. Many employers targeted likely met their legal obligations by checking the paperwork of their workers, Mr. Schey said, but had been presented with false documents from the workers.

n some cases, the Obama administration is pushing ahead with plans set under President George W. Bush -- such as putting into effect a mandate that all federal contractors and subcontractors use a government employment-verification system called E-Verify. Wall Street Journal


E-Verify would also be used to restrict illegal immigrants from the healthcare exchange.

Allowing illegal immigrants to utilize the insurance exchange would not have cost taxpayers a cent. The argument made erroneously by Republicans is not factual, but it doesn't have to be....the object is not to find redress for their invalid concerns, but to obfuscate and distract from focusing on a bill--just as shouting out "You lie" is not motivated by a desire to extract a correction or clarification but an inchoate anger to create disruption.

Now the questions shift even further to the right...because the desires of extremists are never satisfied. And they are hypocrites. Most of them will never say they want to abolish Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid...in fact, they will say the support these programs but they must be reformed. How soon we forget Gingrich's wish to let Medicare 'wither on the vine' or Grover Norquist's 'shrinking government programs down to the size where we can drown them in the bathtub."

So what will make the extremists happy now?

Restrict serious emergency room visits to illegal immigrants?



57% of illegal immigrants now have purchased health insurance. Should they be stripped of that insurance?

Republicans voted for a Medicare drug bill that allocated dollars to illegal immigrants. Some of the liars that now say illegal immigrants will get funding from health care reform voted for the plan. Are they hypocrites. Joe Wilson VOTED FOR THE PLAN...

in 2003, Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants’ healthcare. The vote came on the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, which contained Sec. 1011 authorizing government reimbursements to hospitals for providing treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants.

All but 25 House Republicans supported the creation of a vast new entitlement program that will cost taxpayers almost as much as Barack Obama's stimulus package over the next decade: $727 billion in general revenue contributions for the drug benefit versus $787 billion for the stimulus.

Sure, this is different...but the technique is always the same: a decade ago the Der Sturmer cartoon was a fat black welfare Queen in her Cadillac. Today its Juan Gomez and his appendectomy.

[Rainking]

Both will be run by the same people.

As far as treating illegal immigrants go, I have stated that I am in favor of the following:

1) Illegal immigrants can be diagnosed, no questions asked.
2) If they have a communicable disease, they will be treated and released.
3) If they have a non-communicable disease, they can either elect not to be treated, and leave, or they can elect to be treated, at which point they will be stabilized and turned over to ICE.

In other words, illegal immigrants will not be deported for seeking medical help. Only if they have a non-communicable condition AND they choose to be treated should they be turned in.

Is this specifically for treatment in the ER or medical treatment in general?

[CRB]

in 2003, Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants’ healthcare. The vote came on the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, which contained Sec. 1011 authorizing government reimbursements to hospitals for providing treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants.

I looked up the vote, it's true:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2003-332


South Carolina
Aye SC-1 Brown, Henry [R]
Aye SC-2 Wilson, Addison [R]
Aye SC-3 Barrett, James [R]
No SC-4 DeMint, Jim [R]
No SC-5 Spratt, John [D]
No SC-6 Clyburn, James [D]

[Richard Bey]

....SORRY.

Let me correct something in my post that is incorrect: according to PEW, 59% of illegal immigrants do NOT have health insurance. 41% do...

[Richard Bey]

There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This too is false.

This is the statement that prompted Wilson's outburst: "You lie".

I have yet to see anyone demonstrate how anything in proposed reform would insure illegal immigrants.

Ronald Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment And Active Labor Act in 1986. What this act did, and still does, is prohibit the denial of emergency health care to illegal immigrants. If Republicans want to overturn it lets have a honest discussion about that.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Is this specifically for treatment in the ER or medical treatment in general?
In a hospital, specifically when being admitted, particularly in public hospitals.

[Bart Lidofsky]

For those looking for photographs of what LIBERALS are like in protests, check out http://zombietime.com/.

[Rainking]

In a hospital, specifically when being admitted, particularly in public hospitals.

Those sound good to me.

[Bart Lidofsky]

The point I was trying to make in my phone call is that, if you want to cherry pick, you can find ugly bigotry in ANY protest rally. The problem is when the bigotry is treated as the rule, rather than the exception, as has been done in reporting of the rallies against the President's current policies.

However, my jaw dropped to the floor when Richard used a caricature of one person's accent to poke fun at that person. I am sure that Rich would agree: You don't use bigotry to combat bigotry.

In any case, to answer Rich's questions, many Jew hating (not just Israeli) protest signs during anti-Bush rallies can be found in the photos at http://www.zombietime.com, and that photographer was just covering San Francisco. But that, again, is cherry picking.

[Richard Bey]

But my point was that you could find it also outside of the protest rally: in the campaign supporters of his opposition, in the media on Drudge, Rush and Fox News, in the polls etc. All of which are powerful contributors to what I said was a significant element, (but unlike Jimmy Carter) not the dominant element.


But when the most prominent leader of the demonstration tells his followers that "Obama hates white people", the protesters chant his name over and over and he scares them with video of adolescent black students (in inspirational or school bus hooliganism) ignoring the racist demagoguery involved would have to be willful, IMO.

Yeah, I know, Glenn Beck equals Kanye West...yeah.

[Richard Bey]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=622609

Looks like STORMFRONT, the racist neo-nazi fan club was on board the Tea Party Express.

Of course, that doesn't make the demonstration racist...seriously, it doesn't. Anymore than the fact that socialist groups were on board with the anti-war protests.

...but of course the opposite argument was made against the anti-war movement 7 years ago. Many of them on this board.

[Valerie]

....have we been on this board that long????? wow....

[Richard Bey]

Val, I think you've been here that long...

I think most members showed up in 2003...

Am I remembering it incorrectly? As you get older it all seems to blur together and rush onward more quickly...

Why didn't Einstein do a theory of relativity about time and age!!!

[Bart Lidofsky]

Once again expanding on today's phone call:

My point was that government inefficiency can be far more costly than profit made by the companies. I must admit that I DID think of the "booky" pun, but decided that since most viewers don't know Rich's email address, the pun would have been lost, so I uncharacteristically did not capitalize on it.

Now, to get to a greater point: When people start up a company, they risk their investment money. The hope is that the profits made from their good investments will outnumber their losses from bad investments. When this is done effectively, the amount of wealth in the system increases, as opposed to the "magic cupboard" idea, where there is a fixed "pie" and the government decides who gets which "slice".

Now, if the government gets into that business, they have to put up the initial investment capital themselves. And, if their revenues and reserves do not produce sufficient income, then they have to borrow the money to create the business. The people they borrow from expect a return from that investment. Which means that, even if the government takes over health insurance, then those who lend them the money to capitalize the project end up making the profits. In other words, even if the system itself does not make a profit, the government still has to PAY profit money to the investors, who are taking a far lower risk than ones who invest in health insurance companies.

Now, given that these have to be figured into the system, then something has to give. There is a limited amount of revenue that the government can get from an economy, although they can increase their revenues by growing the economy, even to the point where a smaller percentage from a larger economy can be greater than a larger percentage of a smaller economy; the idea there is to find the ideal balance. Note that when those in government are more concerned with their own levels of power than the health of the economy, they will tend to try to take a bigger percentage, even if it means lowering the total revenues.

The bottom line is that "Profit bad. Government good." line of thinking is far too simplistic in an open system; one has to take as broad a view as possible to find the best solution to a given problem.

[ramf02]

Bart,

You forget to mention that the government just prints more money when there's not enough in the world to supply it. This hurts everyone. And ... the money it gets lent (that isn't paid off by printed money) is money that's taken out of other possible investments. Wouldn't the world be better off if people lent to companies who do research and development instead of lending to grow a bureaucracy?

Glenn Beck recently had a good depiction on how the government borrows money then immediately buys back the treasuries. Doesn't that worry you guys??? Don't know how that's partisan or crazy. I think there's actually something to be learned on his show every once in a while.

[CRB]

I didn't realize Glenn Beck was an economist.

[Bart Lidofsky]

I didn't realize Glenn Beck was an economist.
And this is relevant because?

[Datalapper]

And this is relevant because?Because while it may seem like a simple ad-hominem attack on Glenn Beck (because of his lack of any economic bonfides); to me it's more about countering the original false 'appeal to authority' of a guy who is a self-admitted 'shmoe' regarding the subject (of economics). I'm sure CRB can explain himself better.
As for me:

Glenn's latest economy theory

GLENN: Peter, I read something and you'll have to excuse my ignorance on this because, you know, I'm not like you. You know this stuff. I'm just trying to figure it out as a regular Schmo. And I read something. It was like 2:00 in the morning last week and I haven't had a chance to do more research on it but it's our -- to me it is the explanation of, I've been wondering. You know, I talk to smart people and I say action wait a minute, if I can figure this out and I'm a recovering alcoholic deejay, I mean, certainly these guys can. So what is it? -GlennBeck.com (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/8569/) Even though this wasn't a recent clip, lets examine Mr. Becks *thought* process here:
He says he read something 'a week ago', but still he "hasn't had a chance" to further investigate it. But nevertheless decides to go on air with his pronouncement that even despite his willful ignorance, he can still "figure this out"??

I too have a lot of not-fully-thought-out ideas. Doesn't mean anyone should listen to me.
-Just as no one should put any credence what a 'recovering alcoholic deejay' has to say simply because Fox decided to put him on national TV.

As to Frank's "the government borrows money then immediately buys back the treasuries. Doesn't that worry you guys???"
Maybe I'm not clear as to exactly what was being discussed (which puts me on a perfectly equal footing with Mr. Beck ;)); but how is this in anyway different from an individual homeowner refinancing their mortgage at more favorable terms?

If the government can float new treasuries at 4-5% and use these funds to buy back outstanding 6-7% notes before they mature, how is that a bad thing?
We sure as hell can't eliminate our debt burden, but if we can renegotiate the terms to reduce the amount of GDP needed to service the debt, then what's the problem?
Or am I misunderstanding the premise?

[Bart Lidofsky]

Because while it may seem like a simple ad-hominem attack on Glenn Beck (because of his lack of any economic bonfides); to me it's more about countering the original false 'appeal to authority' of a guy who is a self-admitted 'shmoe' regarding the subject (of economics). I'm sure CRB can explain himself better.
First of all, I'd like to thank you for giving serious answers. No sarcasm, it really is appreciated.

Second of all, the thing is that neither Frank nor I quoted Glenn Beck. What I wrote is entirely original to me; I rarely listen to Glenn Beck, and have never heard him say anything about the profit motive. The "magic cupboard" is a term that I have used here before; it's based on a recurring joke in the GET FUZZY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Fuzzy) comic strip where the pets don't understand why their owner has to go to work to feed them; after all, the food comes out of the magic cupboard that refills itself.

I am not sure where Frank got his quote, but I felt that bringing in Glenn Beck was about as relevant as bringing up "Hitler was a vegetarian" in a discussion on vegetarianism. Remember, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Bart Lidofsky]

First of all, I'd appreciate feedback on commenting on the Richard Bey show in this thread, rather than creating new ones.

Second, speaking of the French Revolution...

During the Reign of Terror following the French Revolution, it was generally decided that if the guillotine failed to work, it was a sign that God wanted the would-be victim to be free. One day, three people were up for execution. The first, a noblewoman who had ordered the death of many was due. But the blade failed to come down. So everybody agreed that it was the will of God that she go free. The second, a hated tax collector, also had the same good luck; the blade would not come down, and he was set free. The third, an engineer who had developed many torture devices, was placed under the guillotine. But, just before the rope was released, the engineer yelled, "Stop! I think I see the problem!"

[CRB]

And this is relevant because?

Generally, when trying to learn about a subject it behooves one to seek information from an expert, not a know-it-all radio show host.

However, if I wanted to learn the art of demagoguing and fearmongering, Glenn Beck would be one of the finest information sources.

[CRB]

I am not sure where Frank got his quote, but I felt that bringing in Glenn Beck was about as relevant as bringing up "Hitler was a vegetarian" in a discussion on vegetarianism.

I was responding to the following quote from Frank:


Glenn Beck recently had a good depiction on how the government borrows money then immediately buys back the treasuries. Doesn't that worry you guys???

[CRB]

If the government can float new treasuries at 4-5% and use these funds to buy back outstanding 6-7% notes before they mature, how is that a bad thing?

It just is. Glenn Beck said so.

[Datalapper]

It just is. Glenn Beck said so.Yeah, but the guy can't even spell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5Sm9poKTw) !

IMO, If you can't even do the most cursory of prep for your show (or at least hire a staff who's 'smarter than a fifth grader' to spot check the stuff you pull directly from your own @ss) then why should I even watch?

Not asking that he be like the geeky Maddow (who spends up to 9 hours to prep for her show), but c'mon. Give me something.

-Something besides 'Y' is the missing letter in 'Oligarh'
And WTF does Obama have to do with an oligarchy anyway? Wasn't there something called a national election just 10 months ago?

Communist, Socialist, Fascist, Statist, now Oligarch? Wasn't it Limbaugh who once said 'words have meaning'? I guess if you have a teevee show you can give them whatever meanings you want. And if you question this inconsistant idiocy, then you are just a freedom hater. Hating the freedom of the host to make up his own definitions.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/09/20/opinion/rich190.jpg
That Beck, if nothing else, certainly marching to his own drummer (in his head)

[Richard Bey]

...and Beck was the originator of the 9/12 Project that promoted the March on Washington.

Is there any wonder there were so many simpletons there?

If Ron Paul had really been the leader the march might have been about something other than inchoate anger...

[ramf02]

Datalapper -- they don't buy treasuries for the sake of refinancing at a lower rate. This is assuming the level of liabilities stays the same. The liabilities are increasing, so they buy the treasuries with money that's created out of thin air. It's bad because it devalues the currency at a high rate.

CRB - Never said Beck was economist. You ever watch his show? He has guests on who are. They frequently use graphical depictions to show the flow/cause/effects of what the government is doing. I just can't understand how the government incurring massive amounts of debt/devaluing the currency could possibly be seen as a partisan issue. We should all come together to ensure the financial stability of this country and unburden future generations of this massive debt.

Something to keep in mind that all the extra "good" that comes NOW from this borrowing will eventually be evened out by "bad" in the future ... plus more because of interest. You can't continue to rob future generations without those generations being worse off.

[CRB]

CRB - Never said Beck was economist. You ever watch his show? He has guests on who are. They frequently use graphical depictions to show the flow/cause/effects of what the government is doing. I just can't understand how the government incurring massive amounts of debt/devaluing the currency could possibly be seen as a partisan issue. We should all come together to ensure the financial stability of this country and unburden future generations of this massive debt.

Something to keep in mind that all the extra "good" that comes NOW from this borrowing will eventually be evened out by "bad" in the future ... plus more because of interest. You can't continue to rob future generations without those generations being worse off.

Frank, I've looked at the M1 and M2 tables myself and I don't see wide-scale money printing going on. Yes, there is more "money" in circulation now than 2 years ago, but the increase so far is well within historical levels.

Couple that with the absence of high inflation and I don't understand how people can claim our currency is being devalued. It may be trading lower against other currencies, but that is determined by many factors, some of which are completely out of the Fed's control.

I agree that deficit spending is bad, but now is not the time to stop. Severe recessions is when deficit spending is needed to turn things around, the key is to run budget surpluses when the economy recovers to pay it back.

[CRB]

...and Beck was the originator of the 9/12 Project that promoted the March on Washington.

I want to know when Glenn Beck is going to take responsibility for the death of the census worker.

He sure has been doing everything in his power to stoke the emotions of anti-government folks.

[Datalapper]

Datalapper -- they don't buy treasuries for the sake of refinancing at a lower rate. This is assuming the level of liabilities stays the same. The liabilities are increasing, so they buy the treasuries with money that's created out of thin air. It's bad because it devalues the currency at a high rate.Still not exactly sure who the 'they' are that you are referring to. If you mean the Federal Reserve, then yes (http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/pomo_faq.html). They have program to buy up long term treasuries and other assets and yes, its not 'free' money. They are increasing their balance sheet to absorb this debt to free up the private credit markets (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20090318a.htm) in an attempt to revive the economy. (or at least prevent it from totally locking up and flat-lining) Without liquid credit to meet their payrolls, businesses really can't stay in business; and without affordable mortgage rates a whole 'nother portion of our economy would just stagnate. This (unprecedented) debt is a necessary evil IMO.

I just can't understand how the government incurring massive amounts of debt/devaluing the currency could possibly be seen as a partisan issue. We should all come together to ensure the financial stability of this country and unburden future generations of this massive debt. Drastic times call for drastic measures IMO. You claim our currency is being devalued 'at a high rate'. But that hasn't stopped the international clamor for people who still want a piece of our (albeit weak) US dollars.

China Can’t Buy Enough Bonds as Dollar No Deterrent

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- International investors are increasing purchases of Treasuries on a bet U.S. inflation will remain subdued, even as the dollar falls to the lowest levels of the year and the budget deficit tops $1 trillion.
Investors outside the U.S. bought 43.1 percent of the $1.41 trillion of notes and bonds sold by the Treasury Department this year, compared with 27.1 percent of the $527 billion issued at this point in 2008, government figures show.
The Merrill Lynch & Co. Treasury Master Index of U.S. securities returned 1.18 percent in the third quarter after the worst first half on record as demand from the investor group that includes central banks known as indirect bids climbed to record levels at Treasury auctions.

The trade-weighted U.S. Dollar Index’s 15 percent decline from its high this year on March 4 has proved no obstacle in Treasury auctions, aiding President Barack Obama’s efforts to sell an unprecedented amount of debt. Fund managers say their money is safe in the U.S. with expectations for inflation as measured by indexed bonds below the five-year average

...“The interest rate on long-term Treasury bonds is at a very low level by historical standards,” said David Dollar, the U.S. Treasury Department’s economic and financial emissary to China on Sept. 11 at the World Economic Forum meeting in Dalian, China. “That says that the market has confidence the U.S. will get the fiscal problem under control.” -bloomberg (http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aKvtw723S1c0)
Is our Treasury point man in China really named David Dollar??:D

Something to keep in mind that all the extra "good" that comes NOW from this borrowing will eventually be evened out by "bad" in the future ... plus more because of interest. You can't continue to rob future generations without those generations being worse off.I guess we'll just have to see. The Feds now see more than a little easing happening and will be weaning off the extraordinary measures they undertook this year.


Risks to U.S. economy have eased "considerably": Fed

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Federal Reserve policy-makers last month believed risks to the U.S. economy had eased "considerably" and discussed stretching out a program that has held down home loan rates.

The Fed expressed confidence the deepest U.S. downturn since the 1930s was ending but also worried about weak growth ahead, according to minutes of its August 11-12 policy session released on Wednesday....

...LEVELING OUT
When it concluded its August meeting, the Fed had said the economy was showing signs of leveling out two years after the onset of the most virulent financial crisis in decades.
At the meeting, the central bank decided to keep benchmark overnight interest rates steady near zero and moved to phase out one of its emergency measures -- its $300 billion long-term Treasury buying program. It decided to let that program run several weeks beyond the original mid-September date to smooth the transition in markets.
-reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE5815Q520090902?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=11604)

[Datalapper]

I want to know when Glenn Beck is going to take responsibility for the death of the census worker.

He sure has been doing everything in his power to stoke the emotions of anti-government folks.Well, as all the facts of that case are still not public yet (was the word 'fed' scrawled onto or 'into' his chest?), I'll have to reserve judgment. But I will say that I am leaning towards an off the cliff tea-bagger as opposed to a local pot grower or meth lab-ber. The latter two, not wanted to draw any extra attention to their illicit activities would never have let the body see the light of day. Occams Razor has the former as a much more likely bet, seeing that he would be looking to make a public, anti-government 'statement'.
That the body was found on 9/12 was just serendipity?? I think not.

As for Glenn Beck and whatever amount of complicity you want to ascribe to him... He still hasn't taken ONE IOTA of responsiblity for the dead policemen in Pittsburgh, PA.
-Says it was all the 'dog's fault' for peeing on the carpet.

In that particular (don't blame me, I'm just an entertainer) case, Beck then closed out his show by blaming Obama (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200904070026) for his complicity by not calming down any other paranoid, homicidal lunatics.
"But if he wanted to calm anybody who had any fears he would have said, "This is such a tragedy and let me reassure, the 2nd Amendment is the 2nd Amendment, and I will not infringe on those rights in any way, shape, or form.

But he won't say that because he can't say that.

Because he will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun.
He will make them more expensive; he'll tax them out of existence.
He will because he has said he would.
He will tax you gun or take your gun away one way or another.

Way to calm down the unhinged Glenn. :rolleyes:
What were those signs at the 9/12 'party' that organizer Beck didn't even show up for?

"We came unarmed (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4y5q0GGOBSM/Sqv52plslYI/AAAAAAAABQQ/Ho5UjUjqXRU/s640/DSCF0736.JPG) ...this time" ; "Time to Water the Tree (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/8/12/1250079504483/William-Kostnic-wears-a-9-001.jpg) of Liberty"

[CRB]

And the funny thing is that Glenn Beck thinks his own life is in danger because of his beliefs.

Paranoia, the destroyer.

[Bart Lidofsky]

Generally, when trying to learn about a subject it behooves one to seek information from an expert, not a know-it-all radio show host.
Ah. I thought you were referring to me.

However, I frequently point out when, for example, Wikipedia has an article that I think is good. That is not because I think that Wikipedia is a good primary source (I don't, although I find it a useful place to FIND primary sources), it's just that I find the article, at least as it stood when I read it, well written and correct. Frank did not say that Glenn Beck was an authority on economics, merely that a good explanation appeared on his show.

[Bart Lidofsky]

...and Beck was the originator of the 9/12 Project that promoted the March on Washington.
I took a look at the 9/12 project page. They have screwed themselves before they started, by using a Religious Right code-phrase (equivalent to the term "social justice" appearing in a supposedly liberal site), in the very second "principle":

"I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life."

All of us who have a problem with a deity who demands the capitalization of the third person pronoun would be immediately turned off by this.

[Bart Lidofsky]

I want to know when Glenn Beck is going to take responsibility for the death of the census worker.
How is he responsible?

[CRB]

How is he responsible?

I covered that in the part of my post you didn't quote.

[CRB]

Ah. I thought you were referring to me.

That's my fault as I didn't make it clear I was responding to Frank.



However, I frequently point out when, for example, Wikipedia has an article that I think is good. That is not because I think that Wikipedia is a good primary source (I don't, although I find it a useful place to FIND primary sources), it's just that I find the article, at least as it stood when I read it, well written and correct. Frank did not say that Glenn Beck was an authority on economics, merely that a good explanation appeared on his show.

I'm not convinced Glenn Beck's guest was an authority either.

[Bart Lidofsky]

I covered that in the part of my post you didn't quote.
Regardless of which political side you are on, you have, in the past, generally been logical. You are way off the deep end on this one. What has Glenn Beck ever said that could be construed as inducement to kill low-level government workers?

[Bart Lidofsky]

I'm not convinced Glenn Beck's guest was an authority either.
That is reasonable. You should have said that in the first place.

[Datalapper]

Regardless of which political side you are on, you have, in the past, generally been logical. You are way off the deep end on this one. What has Glenn Beck ever said that could be construed as inducement to kill low-level government workers?Maybe his (pretend?) killing of innocent little frogs in boiling water (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/09/glenn_beck_boiling_frogs_alive.html) on his show?
Everyone knows (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/425882/the_link_between_animal_abuse_and_serial.html?cat= 17) that most serial killers get their start with animal abuse. And it's just a few steps down that slippery slope from low-level animals to low-level government workers?...:D

[Datalapper]

On a serious note, how about this 'Take Our Country Back' clip from Beck (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1241755095)? While outwardly saying he was calling for a 'Civilist War' (that doesn't require shots to be fired), his introduction of fellow 'comrade in arms' Napolitano belie those non-violent sentiments. (I guess introducing Napolitano as 'resident legal expert' or "The Judge" is supposed to give credence to his secessionist ideas?).

Following with a Utah congressman (& self-described 9/12'er) who founded the Patrick Henry caucus? (Give me Liberty or give me Death?) Nah. No chance that idea could be taken too far, is there?

Then introducing a Texas state lawmaker who feels his legislation (just like Montana's) NULLIFYS any Federal legislation?

"We are 'a sovereign state' who will not abide by ANY federal mandates that are not fully authorized by the US Constitution" (where were all these guys during Bush's 8 full years of unfunded mandates?)

[Datalapper]

There's this latest from Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/411291/violent-south-carolina-candidate-giving-away-ak-47-at-campaign-launch): A South Carolina Republican candidate is kicking off his campaign with a combo BBQ and machine gun practice tomorrow afternoon.
$25 donation gets you into the drawing for the AK-47 ("sorry", semi-automatic only says the ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4lb9twsao4&feature=player_embedded)).

To sweeten the (ever stirring) pot, candidate Dean Allen is even throwing in 10 minutes of training, so "you don't shoot any radical right wingers by mistake".

I guess we can infer from that that the 'responsible' 10 min. of training can also be used to shoot left-wingers or other undesirables on purpose?

[jeffm0927]

I will be there I miss the show.

Jeff


I am on a new LIVE internet streaming show everyday at 12 noon.


Bob Grant is on in mornings, Jay Diamond is doing a show and Curtis is on at night with a stream from his radio show...

If you can tune in and be part of the show if you can...

I did a show there today at 12 and I think it went pretty well for a first run out of the gate.

Here is the link:
http://www.ubatv.com/