Haiti and the Devil

[unionguy]

Gee, its too bad that this guy lost the 1988 primaries, what a fine president he would of been. :D


Haiti earthquake: Televangelist Pat Robertson links quake to 'pact with the devil'

Reporting from Washington -- Conservative televangelist the Rev. Pat Robertson on Wednesday linked the earthquake in Haiti to a "pact with the devil" purportedly entered into by the Haitian people in the late 18th century in a bid to defeat French colonizers.

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it," Robertson said on his Christian Broadcasting Network show. "They were under the heel of the French . . . and they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you'll get us free from the French.'

"True story. And the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal,' " Robertson said. "Ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after another."

Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2010/01/us-televangelist-pat-robertson-links-haiti-earthquake-to-pact-with-devil.html) - January 14, 2010

[Philly]

Another "Christian" broadcaster insinuated that the earthquake was a result of Haiti's voodoo past (TBN' grandson of founder Paul Couch.) This nut also see it as a blessing that will be allow the "Christians" to get into areas and deliver bibles.

What are these people thinking? Haiti is a country of makeshift housing, disease, and heartbreaking poverty. The major hospital is run by the Episcopal Church, while these televangelists use the slums as photo ops.

[unionguy]

Hey everyone, guess what? According to Rush you don't have to donate to Haiti relief, you already have in your income tax. This guy is something else.


Rush Limbaugh Slams Obama's Response to Haiti Earthquake

In the face of utter devastation across Haiti following a huge earthquake, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves yesterday to blast President Obama for his response to the crisis.

The disaster enables Mr. Obama to highlight his "compassionate" and "humanitarian" credentials and to "boost his credibility with the black community," Limbaugh said.

He also decried the White House's promotion of charitable organizations through which people can contribute to the disaster relief. "We've already donated to Haiti," he said. "It's called the U.S. income tax."

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs at his daily press briefing today critized Limbaugh's remarks.

"I think in times of great crisis, there are always people that say really stupid things," Gibbs said. I don't know how anybody -- I don't know how anybody could sit where he does, having enjoyed the success that he has, and not feel some measure of sorrow for what has happened in Haiti. I think to use the power of your pulpit to try to convince those not to help their brothers and sisters is sad."

Some have contended that Limbaugh speaks for the Republican party, but that does not appear to be the case in this instance.

Republican leaders in the House and Senate have expressed their support for Mr. Obama's leadership.

"We appreciate President Obama's immediate response to this catastrophic tragedy, and stand ready to assist in any way," House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said in a statement. "In this pressing time of need, I know that the good faith and generosity of our citizens will no doubt help. Our Government and the American people prepared to do all that we can provide assistance, comfort and resources to the people of Haiti and their families."

Both Democrats and Republicans have called for the White House to grant temporary protected status to Haitian nationals currently in the United States because of the earthquake, the Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.

Furthermore, former President George W. Bush will be joining former President Bill Clinton in a bipartisan effort to raise funds for the relief effort.

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6097183.shtml) - January 14, 2010

[N.O.T.O.R.I.O.U.S.]

Pat Robertson is a lunatic.
I swear. This truly falls under the category of
WTF.

What else can you expect from Rush. He is what he is.:mad:

[Datalapper]

Pat Robertson is a lunatic.
I swear. This truly falls under the category of
WTF.Yeah. And just think how Satan must feel about his stupid comments. Better yet, let him tell you himself....


Dear Pat Robertson,
I know that you know that all press is good press, so I appreciate the shout-out. And you make God look like a big mean bully who kicks people when they are down, so I'm all over that action.

But when you say that Haiti has made a pact with me, it is totally humiliating. I may be evil incarnate, but I'm no welcher. The way you put it, making a deal with me leaves folks desperate and impoverished.

Sure, in the afterlife, but when I strike bargains with people, they first get something here on earth -- glamour, beauty, talent, wealth, fame, glory, a golden fiddle. Those Haitians have nothing, and I mean nothing. And that was before the earthquake. Haven't you seen "Crossroads"? Or "Damn Yankees"?

If I had a thing going with Haiti, there'd be lots of banks, skyscrapers, SUVs, exclusive night clubs, Botox -- that kind of thing. An 80 percent poverty rate is so not my style. Nothing against it -- I'm just saying: Not how I roll.
You're doing great work, Pat, and I don't want to clip your wings -- just, come on, you're making me look bad. And not the good kind of bad. Keep blaming God. That's working. But leave me out of it, please. Or we may need to renegotiate your own contract.
Best, Satan (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/tv-soundoff-sunday-talkin_n_426208.html)Pat Robertson, simultaneously insulting to both God & Satan. Talent on loan from ....?:rolleyes:

[bazzer]

On the one hand, I don't even want to dignify Robertson's comments with a response, but I will make one observation. I don't see how *anyone* of age and with all their faculties, even a devout religionist, can look at the world around them and believe that it is governed by a universal system that rewards good behavior and punishes bad, even on a large scale.

[johnr]

I saw this on a UK site,a letter by Regine Chassagne of the Rock Band, "Arcade Fire".Many in the UK think this is a great band.

I let out a cry, as if I'd heard everybody I loved had diedIn a moving response to the earthquake, a Haitian singer demands that her homeland isn't once again abandoned by the west
Comments (139)
Buzz up!
Digg it
Régine Chassagne
See:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/17/haiti-earthquake-aid-casualties

[Bart Lidofsky]

This whole thing refers to the possibly mythical "Bois Caiman Ceremony" of 1791. Now, first of all, it was not specifically a Satanic ceremony, unless you have the Christian belief that if you don't call the deity by the names they want you to call it, or if you call accessible aspects of the deity something other than "angels", then you are worshiping Satan.

In Voodoo, and many other Western African based religions, spirits who correspond most closely with the Jewish concept of "angels" (and less closely with the Christian concept), or the Indian concept of "devas" are ceremonially invited to temporarily possess one of the worshipers for the purpose of communicating with the worshipers. An animal sacrifice is usually made to attact the attention of the "loas" or "orishas"; the term "sacrifice" is used in the sense of "to make sacred", as, after the ceremonial killing, it is cooked and consumed by the attendees (in a way reminiscent of the traditional American Thanksgiving).

Essentially, there is a legend, which may be true, may be an inspirational historical myth, or may even be a slander that was turned into an inspirational historical myth. The story is that, in a meeting of slaves to discuss their oppression, a loa possessed one of the slaves, and urged them to kill all the whites on the island; a pig was sacrificed and its blood was drunk as a form of contract. Common enough story, with variations based on the religion in question.

Here's an interesting site I found on the Haitian revolution in general, with a discussion about the ceremony. Haitian History: Revolutionary War (http://www.webster.edu/%7Ecorbetre/haiti/history/revolution/revolution.htm)

[unionguy]

This whole thing refers to the possibly mythical "Bois Caiman Ceremony" of 1791. Now, first of all, it was not specifically a Satanic ceremony, unless you have the Christian belief that if you don't call the deity by the names they want you to call it, or if you call accessible aspects of the deity something other than "angels", then you are worshiping Satan.

In Voodoo, and many other Western African based religions, spirits who correspond most closely with the Jewish concept of "angels" (and less closely with the Christian concept), or the Indian concept of "devas" are ceremonially invited to temporarily possess one of the worshipers for the purpose of communicating with the worshipers. An animal sacrifice is usually made to attact the attention of the "loas" or "orishas"; the term "sacrifice" is used in the sense of "to make sacred", as, after the ceremonial killing, it is cooked and consumed by the attendees (in a way reminiscent of the traditional American Thanksgiving).

Essentially, there is a legend, which may be true, may be an inspirational historical myth, or may even be a slander that was turned into an inspirational historical myth. The story is that, in a meeting of slaves to discuss their oppression, a loa possessed one of the slaves, and urged them to kill all the whites on the island; a pig was sacrificed and its blood was drunk as a form of contract. Common enough story, with variations based on the religion in question.

Here's an interesting site I found on the Haitian revolution in general, with a discussion about the ceremony. Haitian History: Revolutionary War (http://www.webster.edu/%7Ecorbetre/haiti/history/revolution/revolution.htm)

You know looking at the history of nations, there are countries (Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist China, etc...) that have committed far greater crimes to society then wanting freedom from colonial rule. You would think that the grandsons and granddaughters of these governments would be punished way more severely then the people of Haiti, if there really is a just God.

[unionguy]

What are the French crazy? They are accusing the U.S. of occupying Haiti. :confused: What is the matter with them, don't they know that Haiti has no oil to steal?? :D



US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in
France accused the US of "occupying" Haiti on Monday as thousands of American troops flooded into the country to take charge of aid efforts and security.

The French minister in charge of humanitarian relief called on the UN to "clarify" the American role amid claims the military build up was hampering aid efforts.

Alain Joyandet admitted he had been involved in a scuffle with a US commander in the airport's control tower over the flight plan for a French evacuation flight.

"This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti," Mr Joyandet said.

Geneva-based charity Medecins Sans Frontieres backed his calls saying hundreds of lives were being put at risk as planes carrying vital medical supplies were being turned away by American air traffic controllers.

But US commanders insisted their forces' focus was on humanitarian work and last night agreed to prioritise aid arrivals to the airport over military flights, after the intervention of the UN.

The diplomatic row came amid heightened frustrations that hundreds of tons of aid was still not getting through. Charities reported violence was also worsening as desperate Haitians took matters into their own hands.

The death toll is now estimated at up to 200,000 lives. Around three million Haitians – a third of the country's population – have been affected by Tuesday's earthquake and two million require food assistance.

While food and water was gradually arriving at the makeshift camps which have sprung up around the city, riots have broken out in other areas where supplies have still not materialised.

Haiti was occupied by the US between 1915 and 1935, and historical sensitivities together with friction with other countries over the relief effort has made the Americans cautious about their role in the operation.

American military commanders have repeatedly stressed that they are not entering the country as an occupying force.

US soldiers in Port-au-Prince said they had been told to be discreet about how they carry their M4 assault rifles.

A paratrooper sergeant said they were authorised to use "deadly force" if they see anyone's life in danger but only as a "last resort".

Capt John Kirby, a spokesman for the joint task force at the airport, said the US recognised it was only one of a number of countries contributing to a UN-led mission.

He also emphasised the US troops, which he said would rise to 10,000 by Wednesday would principally be assisting in humanitarian relief and the evacuation of people needing medical attention.

The main responsibility for security rests with the UN, which is to add a further 3,000 troops to its force of 9,000.

However, it was agreed on Sunday night that the Americans would take over security at the four main food and water distribution points being set up in the city, Capt Kirby said.

"Security here is in a fluid situation," he said. "If the Haitian government asked us to provide security downtown, we would do that." He played down the threat of violence, saying: "What we're seeing is that there are isolated incidents of violence and some pockets where it's been more restive, but overall it's calm."

Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020908/US-accused-of-occupying-Haiti-as-troops-flood-in.html) - January 18, 2010